{"id":39785,"date":"2020-01-15T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-01-15T08:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newrcblog.wpengine.com\/enhancing-the-customer-experience-interview-with-jim-tincher\/"},"modified":"2025-03-13T06:45:10","modified_gmt":"2025-03-13T13:45:10","slug":"enhancing-the-customer-experience-interview-with-jim-tincher","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"\/us\/en\/blog\/enhancing-the-customer-experience-interview-with-jim-tincher\/","title":{"rendered":"Enhancing the customer experience \u2013 interview with Jim Tincher"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/jimtincher\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Jim Tincher<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> (CCXP) is a recognized CX expert with a passion for customer experience, so much so that he founded <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/heartofthecustomer.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Heart of the Customer<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, a cutting-edge CX consultancy, helping<\/span><b> companies of all sizes <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">improve their customer experience. Before launching the company, Jim led customer engagement initiatives at companies such as Best Buy, where he used <\/span><b>Voice of the<\/b> <b>Customer research to identify and meet the needs<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> of companies and clients.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">During our discussion, Jim offers advice to readers on how to brainstorm the development of new products, enhance customer service, and foster customer loyalty.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Can you introduce yourself and tell us about your background?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I had a background in small business before leading <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ringcentral.com\/small-business\/blog\/customer-engagement\/\">customer engagement<\/a> initiatives at Best Buy, UnitedHealth Group, and other large companies. From the beginning, I always believed that <\/span><b>a company should be customer-obsessed<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As I moved into Fortune 100 companies, I learned there were other models and found it incomprehensible that nobody in my product development or marketing group had ever met a client. So, as a result, we were only building the products <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">we<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> wanted to buy. It made me question the process: <\/span><b>&#8216;How can we build great products if we don&#8217;t spend any time with customers?&#8217; <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">even when we were the leader in sales, we were also the leader in the number of customers canceling their accounts. Because we were building the products, <\/span><b>we <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">wanted to buy, instead of what our customers wanted.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">From there, I got into Customer Experience by trying to bring that Voice of the Customer in to drive action. I was able to bring in many learnings from that and got my passion fired up. I did some consulting after that, and six years ago started Heart of the Customer, focusing on the Voice of the Customer and driving customer-focused action.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-30842\" src=\"\/us\/en\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/happy-customers-group-smiling-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"308\" \/><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You are a big advocate of CX and journey mapping. For companies, what are the barriers to these areas that can be improved?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Barriers would include, for example, taking the time to do it right. <\/span><b>Many companies don&#8217;t take the time to slow down and talk to customers<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. A lot of them say they are too busy to speak to customers. And that is how they lose them. But here are three points to consider to change that:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Take time to <\/span><b>get out there <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and <\/span><b>put the customer in the center.<\/b><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Get the entire organization involved and stay focused<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Particularly in journey mapping <\/span><b>involve Human Resources <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">in the process.<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Use Net Promoter Score (NPS) or other metrics to measure the impact<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> of your customer service, understand the data, and make it work for your business.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you don&#8217;t take action to <\/span><b>understand what you are doing<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, how it impacts the customer, and how the score impacts you, then you are just creating noise. It has to tie back to the business and <\/span><b>what is connecting customers with the company,<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> which I find many brands are not excelling in.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At Heart of the Customer, you write a lot about these topics too, what kind of insights can readers expect to find on it?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We have <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/heartofthecustomer.com\/customer-experience-resources\/customer-experience-white-papers\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">white papers and case studies<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> covering a variety of topics on our website, as well as my blog. I spend a lot of time laying out best practices and explaining what has been done by other companies, and what works and what doesn\u2019t. We find that <\/span><b>companies that have the most impact are curious,<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and they want to apply the best practices. If you are looking to outsource <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ringcentral.com\/us\/en\/blog\/customer-review-examples\/\">customer reviews<\/a>, then there are cheaper ways of doing that. But when you are bringing in the right consultancy, they should <\/span><b>make you think about your day-to-day work<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. In our case, we work with Marketing and Customer Experience.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It is really about <\/span><b>taking that Voice of the Customer and making it live inside<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> your organization. How is somebody who is in the field or the contact center working, somebody who is building your processes, how can they use this, take this information, and change how they operate? Those are the questions we help companies answer.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class='bctt-click-to-tweet'><span class='bctt-ctt-text'><a href='https:\/\/x.com\/intent\/tweet?url=%2Fus%2Fen%2Fblog%2Fenhancing-the-customer-experience-interview-with-jim-tincher%2F&#038;text=We%20find%20that%20companies%20that%20have%20the%20most%20impact%20are%20curious%2C%20and%20they%20want%20to%20apply%20the%20best%20practices.%20-%20%40jimtincher&#038;via=RC_Engage&#038;related=RC_Engage' target='_blank'rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">We find that companies that have the most impact are curious, and they want to apply the best practices. - @jimtincher <\/a><\/span><a href='https:\/\/x.com\/intent\/tweet?url=%2Fus%2Fen%2Fblog%2Fenhancing-the-customer-experience-interview-with-jim-tincher%2F&#038;text=We%20find%20that%20companies%20that%20have%20the%20most%20impact%20are%20curious%2C%20and%20they%20want%20to%20apply%20the%20best%20practices.%20-%20%40jimtincher&#038;via=RC_Engage&#038;related=RC_Engage' target='_blank' class='bctt-ctt-btn'rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Share on X<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Is there a particular challenge within those points that is the biggest to address?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><b>It is taking the time to do it right.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> We find that the most effective folks, whether in Customer Service, Customer Experience, or Marketing, get out and reach the rest of the organization. They <\/span><b>take their findings out, tell stories, and connect with customers.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Those who are<\/span><b> less effective are those who are building reports and graphs, showing the survey results.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Those who are more productive are consolidating down what matters to you, and they do that in person. When we look at when our clients have the most impact, it is when they are getting out, getting to the contact center, and getting there personally. From there, it is about sharing what is happening \u2014 bringing it back to the customers as well, asking different questions, and running various programs. When it is done well, <\/span><b>Customer Experience involves a lot of storytelling and making complete connections.<\/b><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Would you have a recent example of how that was successfully implemented? Fixing what is broken to improve it?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I was surprisingly impressed by <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/heartofthecustomer.com\/good-cx-great-business-case\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Comcast recently<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">; they were taking the time to do fundamentals first. They were not focused on a PR campaign; they concentrated on blocking and tackling. They started by talking to the finance group to ask, &#8220;Does NPS matter?&#8221; because it doesn\u2019t work for every company. For them, it made a big difference. <\/span><b>They built a vision of what they wanted the customer experience to be, and they wanted customers to be able to have choices.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The other side is that <\/span><b>many companies don&#8217;t take the time to find out what their customers want. <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Because then you have one group defining what it is, another trying to expand options, spending money on product development, and so on. But the problem is that they do it in the name of the customer, yes, but with conflict on how to achieve what the customer wants.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-30843\" src=\"\/us\/en\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/Young-business-man-using-smartphone-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Young business man using smartphone\" width=\"640\" height=\"427\" \/><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What are the issues that companies face to create personalized experiences for customers?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think one mistake many companies make is <\/span><b>digitally replacing the human experience.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, <\/span><b>digital can enhance the human experience<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, <\/span><b>but it isn\u2019t for everybody or every situation.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One example is the use of chatbots. <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ringcentral.com\/us\/en\/blog\/retail-how-to-leverage-chatbots-to-improve-the-customer-journey\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Chatbots<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> can improve the experience, but only if developed correctly and used appropriately.\u00a0 It shouldn\u2019t be a case of &#8216;either\/or.&#8217; when you have a bot in the contact center that can offer different recommendations based on what is happening in any given customer-agent conversation, it enhances the human experience because instead of the agent having to search, they can receive immediate recommendations for the customer. <strong>We find that digital impacts customer experience the most when it takes away some of the low hanging fruit.<\/strong> On the more difficult conversations, it makes an impact by empowering the agent.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class='bctt-click-to-tweet'><span class='bctt-ctt-text'><a href='https:\/\/x.com\/intent\/tweet?url=%2Fus%2Fen%2Fblog%2Fenhancing-the-customer-experience-interview-with-jim-tincher%2F&#038;text=Chatbots%20can%20improve%20the%20experience%2C%20but%20only%20if%20developed%20correctly%20and%20used%20appropriately.%20-%20%40jimtincher&#038;via=RC_Engage&#038;related=RC_Engage' target='_blank'rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Chatbots can improve the experience, but only if developed correctly and used appropriately. - @jimtincher <\/a><\/span><a href='https:\/\/x.com\/intent\/tweet?url=%2Fus%2Fen%2Fblog%2Fenhancing-the-customer-experience-interview-with-jim-tincher%2F&#038;text=Chatbots%20can%20improve%20the%20experience%2C%20but%20only%20if%20developed%20correctly%20and%20used%20appropriately.%20-%20%40jimtincher&#038;via=RC_Engage&#038;related=RC_Engage' target='_blank' class='bctt-ctt-btn'rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Share on X<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So customer engagement can be improved by empowering agents with the right tools?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exactly.<\/span><b> It is not about replacing the agents,<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> which is where many companies go wrong. You could make a case whereby you say, &#8220;Oh, let&#8217;s get rid of agent interactions to save money.&#8221; Well, you could try that. But <\/span><b>the agent is still a valuable part of your customer experience<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and<\/span><b> enabling them to solve problems more efficiently is going to have an enormous positive impact, j<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">ust as it does for coordinating across silos will.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That is something we see happening more across the industry now \u2014 using journey analytics and orchestration<\/span><b> to remove the silos around customer needs<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. So, for example, let&#8217;s say you are onboarding a new customer, analytics will show where the customer is in their <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ringcentral.com\/us\/en\/blog\/customer-journeys\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">journey<\/a>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">More importantly, the automation\/orchestration part can be used to connect marketing with the customer via email or text, whether it is a customer who needs information from the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ringcentral.com\/contact-center.html\">contact center<\/a> or communication from a salesperson. <\/span><b>We now have the technology to orchestrate that customer journey<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. It is early days, but it is fascinating to watch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At Heart of the Customer, we with firms to understand their current-state journey. Often, they know the steps pretty well, but they don&#8217;t know what is essential to customers emotionally, which is where we come in. From there, we use journey mapping and journey orchestration to envision what it <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">could<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> look like. We explore<\/span><b> how we can make it practical for the customer, make it easy, and create a tremendously emotional experience<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. From there, you can determine what you want your experience to be.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It is about <\/span><b>how we can deliver visibility and delight customers.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Domino&#8217;s and their pizza tracker is one example. Previously, you probably never thought about wanting to know when the dough was in the oven or about the delivery process. Then there is Amazon, which sends you push notifications as they deliver your package. They provide customers with a lens for something they never knew they wanted, and that ties into what <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ringcentral.com\/small-business\/blog\/customer-experience\/\">customer experience<\/a> is all about. Bad customer experience is, \u201cwhat do you want me to do?\u201d A good experience is about delivering what you want teams to innovate on.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class='bctt-click-to-tweet'><span class='bctt-ctt-text'><a href='https:\/\/x.com\/intent\/tweet?url=%2Fus%2Fen%2Fblog%2Fenhancing-the-customer-experience-interview-with-jim-tincher%2F&#038;text=It%20is%20not%20about%20replacing%20the%20agents%2C%20which%20is%20where%20many%20companies%20go%20wrong.%20-%20%40jimtincher&#038;via=RC_Engage&#038;related=RC_Engage' target='_blank'rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">It is not about replacing the agents, which is where many companies go wrong. - @jimtincher <\/a><\/span><a href='https:\/\/x.com\/intent\/tweet?url=%2Fus%2Fen%2Fblog%2Fenhancing-the-customer-experience-interview-with-jim-tincher%2F&#038;text=It%20is%20not%20about%20replacing%20the%20agents%2C%20which%20is%20where%20many%20companies%20go%20wrong.%20-%20%40jimtincher&#038;via=RC_Engage&#038;related=RC_Engage' target='_blank' class='bctt-ctt-btn'rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Share on X<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Is there anything else you would like to talk about?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Related to what we spoke about here today, I recently wrote a blog post titled, \u201c<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/heartofthecustomer.com\/good-cx-great-business-case\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Good CX = A Great Business Case<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u201d If I go back to when I worked for a Fortune 100 business, I had the world&#8217;s best business case right in front of me. We had customers who were not saying yes to hundreds of dollars in free health care money. All they had to do was sign a form, and they could receive it, but they didn&#8217;t. The best business case is that we could have made money, and they could have received the payment. <\/span><b>All we had to do was make it simpler for them.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> If you want to make an impact in marketing or customer service, you can&#8217;t just start with the customer; you have to connect it with the business and show why it makes sense to invest.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There are a lot of blogs out there saying executives don\u2019t believe in CX. Executives do believe, but asking them to write a blank check is not realistic. Take the time to say, <\/span><b>&#8220;this is how we are going to make the business better.&#8221;<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Not enough people are doing that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To learn more about <\/span><\/i><a href=\"https:\/\/heartofthecustomer.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Heart of the Customer <\/span><\/i><\/a><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and Jim\u2019s work, you can follow him on <\/span><\/i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/jimtincher\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">LinkedIn<\/span><\/i><\/a><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and <\/span><\/i><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jimtincher?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Twitter<\/span><\/i><\/a><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and check out his <\/span><\/i><a href=\"https:\/\/heartofthecustomer.com\/customer-experience-blog\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">blog<\/span><\/i><\/a><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jim Tincher (CCXP) is a recognized CX expert with a passion for customer experience, so much so that he founded Heart of the Customer, a cutting-edge CX consultancy, helping companies of all sizes improve their customer experience. 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